The Routine Stealing of Science, Technology

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have a plan. There's clearly maybe something there around the man until we
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thoroughly tested every last close view. I find the more we think we know, the
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less we really do. Where would we be without THC?
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It's the end of the world as we know it, but I feel fine. And from the Sunshine State, I'm Greg Carlwood. And it's hard
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to have convictions about what the truth of anything is in a world so systematically stacked with state
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propaganda, sophisticated scops, and engineered opinions as ours is. Complicating things further is this
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rat's nest of reality shaping operations and public perception creation goes back about as far as there's been a reality
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or a perception of it to shape. Nearly every philosophy, organization, religion, government, think tank, or
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movement exalts itself as operating from the right moral position in a sea of manipulative garbage, often concealing
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its own deeper agendas behind the PR, ideological inception, and recruitment campaigns. It is truly tough to conclude
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much about anything anymore. But we do what we can to whack through the weeds and find our own path despite many
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misdirections and admittedly some occasional backtracking. Sadly, even many of the countercultures we might
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have found comfort in often end up having sketchy intelligence ties and unsavory funding that oftentimes leaves
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one wondering if we bought a lie sold to us as an alternative truth. Which is the value I found in the dense and detailed
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work of today's guest, Matthew Erit. Matthew is a journalist as well as director of the Rising Tide Foundation,
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founder of the Canadian Patriot Review, and senior fellow of American University in Moscow. He's super active with very
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detailed films like the in progress eight-part series, The Hidden Hand Behind UFOs, impressive Substack
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articles, and many books, some co-authored with his wife Cynthia Chung, like a three volume series titled
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Revenge of the Mystery Cults, a four- volume series titled Clash of Two Americas, Breaking Free of Anti-China
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Scios: How the Cold War is being revived and what you can do about it, and Science Unshackled: Restoring Causality
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in a World of Chaos. The topics covered in Matt's work are vast. But what I consider a uniting theme at the core is
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that mainstream verse alternative is a dichotomy the elite use to ensnarish
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just the same as black verse white, left verse right, etc., etc. And we hear many assumed narratives across the conspiracy
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corpus that Matt suggests were engineered as a second net aimed at counterculture capture. And that's
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something any truly open-minded freethinker should at least be able to consider. So, let's get in the mood. the
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dialect deconstructor, sheep class critic and light bear in a dark labyrinth of lies. Matt, welcome to the
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higher side. Thank you for having me on and thank you for that that very generous introduction. I I'm looking
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forward to this chat. I try, man. Wordy stuff. I don't make it easy on myself, but it is a pleasure. So much to talk
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about largely. I hoped we could squeeze in a lot of the threads in the conspiracy mythos that you pick apart
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because I find that to be the most unique aspect of your work. It's not that you're against conspiratorial
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thinking, but it seems like you might say that conspiracy-minded people aren't critical enough of the major alternative
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narratives within their own subculture. And we forget that a lot of thought goes
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into crafting false alternatives because they know not everyone's going to trust the mainstream. And that's pretty fair
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to say, right? Yeah, that's a very fair thing to say. And I I think that it's
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you only become qualified to begin to start thinking about cause like
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causality, our world, our future, what's shaping us, what what will be the future. When you begin when you take the
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step out of this kind of hyperreductionist normalized materialism uh that presumes
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that intentions, ideas do not shape reality. And it's only when you when you
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put that in the garbage and you accept the fact this discoverable fact that conspiracies shape everything and have
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always shaped everything pertaining to the human condition and will always do so for good or for bad. It's not like
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conspira and that's part of the thing too at that point when you when you realize that that conspiracies
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intentions ideas for what the future should be have been animating people who have had a common way of thinking and
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agreement about some future outcome. they work towards it again for good or for bad. Um, but that doesn't mean just
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because you acknowledge that there are nefarious conspiracies that you all of a sudden have the master key to to
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understand everything, right? Like you were saying, what does that mean? We see people who believe in conspiracies who
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disagree with themselves all the time. Um, it's it's everywhere. So who
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controls the narratives of one type, one flavor of conspiracy or another flavor or another flavor in the buffet that
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we're being given that gives us a sense of certainly it feels better like it there's a sense
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of soloulless to know okay every every group who chose to be in that part of the conspiracy buffet whether it's the
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the shape-shifting lizard people or the inter you know dimensional grays or the
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you know the the the the juke khazar people who say, "No, it's all about the Jukhazars or, you know, there's so many
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different the the Jesuit groups, you know, it's all about the Jesuits." There there's partially, I think, a an
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attraction because to their particular variation um because it gives a sense of of
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satisfaction knowing that there's a reason for things like the mind yearns for for a reason like that. So, we don't
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like we don't sit well in uncertainty forever. We we need to hold on to like
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why did this happen? Why is there life? Why are bad things happening? Why are wars? Why are assassinations? So that
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that's good, but you don't want to hold on so tight because again, who's to say that that particular explanation that
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you you've been given, although it's more truthful than the crappy ones of those many who have gone through our
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main mainstream education system who have been led to believe there is no no such purpose to asking even why in
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anything whether science or whether history. It's all about, you know, there there's pervasive belief in randomness
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shaping the outcome and the unfolding of of events, even the events of nature devoid of human human the human touch.
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We're we're told, okay, we have to assume that there's random genetic mutations in biology if we want to get a job and be respected and be peer-
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reviewviewed and we have to abide by certain sort of modern godheads. Like we
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have to pay homage to Darwin specifically in his particular random randomized model of of genetic mutations
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that give rise to a rolling of the dice idea of mutations causing the weak of any given species to be destroyed as the
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strong of that species persevere. or in physics, we're told we have to be we have to presume in the the absolute fact
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of randomness probability theory that presumes that there's just at the very
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subatomic part level no causation everything is random and electron could be here or there and maybe it is both in
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both places we're told because string theory and these mathematical models that grew out of Neils Bor's network of
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mathematicians have all told us that we have to presume that something is both a
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Light is a wave and a particle whether it's matter or whether it's light and it it can be both here and there at the
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same time and it can be in another universe because there's infinite universes and there's thus infinite things that have existed and thus
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there's no point in in causality to even go there. So that's that's just stuff in the mainstream and we're told as well
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like just why do wars happen? Well, people just got sick of paying taxes to
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a foreign power, so they did a revolution. And and you know, Hitler got kicked out of art school, so he made a
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war. And Napoleon had a small penis, so he made a war. And it's like that's the stuff that people actually make careers
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around in mainstream. So you get out of that and you're like, "Okay, no, there are free masonic agencies. There's secret societies. There's Rosacruian
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undergrounds that seem to to despise this human quality of problem
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solving, making creative discoveries into God's creation, applying those to making our lives better, to finding
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peace with our neighbors, even if they have a different language or a different religion. Our natural human tendency has
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been historically to find uh peace, to avoid divide, to conquer strategies, to make life better for our kids. And the
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oligarchy seems to be something which is parasitically latched on to us, which despises that attribute and which works
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to bring out the worst in us in order to better control divided, dumbed down,
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underpopulated people. And you know, that's that's part of the the the
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reality of what we're living in. So, all that to say, I know I'm I'm going on a long time here here now, too, but I'll I'll throw it back at you in a second.
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the um uh the issue of what's concerning me right now is a lot of the best people
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who have woken up especially co kind of shook a lot of people out of their normieism
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and they've become you know conspiracy theorists with very strong opinions about everything pertaining from from
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medicine history science you name it which it's good that people's minds are going into that much
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wider spectrum that they should do that but there's a sloppiness as well part of that that I'm noticing of the sloppiness
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is a tendency to fall into traps which I'm seeing especially amongst the conservative liberty-minded crowds that
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that are the most equipped to pass judgment on the evil of this type of
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great reset agenda that we've been nudged nudged towards you know over decades. Um but there is a a tendency on
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the one hand to start seeing that well anybody who talked about conspiracies uh
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that pertain to you know bankers especially with with Jewish uh names
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must be good must be good. So Hitler must be good. And I'm seeing like a very clear revival or um of of uh Nazism. You
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got Kanye West. You got all sorts of Joe Joe Rogan is is pumping out you know sanitized translations of Hitler's
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speeches and it's it's coming out everywhere. Stu Peters is putting out very very viral things and because he's
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talking about the protocols of Zion, Hitler is a conspiracy theorist. He emerged out of a network of people who
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were reading things like the protocols of Zion that was being spread in the 1905 to 1920s period especially in
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Germany but also in Russia and and in the United States there were and if you read the writings of a lot of the
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conspiracy theorists around that it looks very similar to what has become very popular today as far as recognizing
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freemasonic agencies banking conspiracies a lot of them a lot of it involves the beny and the ADL and other
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things but it's also tied to um a trap because Hitler himself, all of these
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things grew out of the Theosophists, a bunch of Rosacrruian Satanists and gnostics who were like masquerading as
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and and shaping what would become the basis of the new age, which then put out these narratives in order to take people
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who were becoming very suspicious of mainstream establishment sources and nudging them towards um a reactionary
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extreme trap. So they that's what they do. They push the a far-left agenda on the one hand with bulsheism run a muck
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and then the same freemasonic agencies are pushing a right-wing conservative reactionary uh position that then causes
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this dialectic to then manifest in the form of things that ultimately kill millions and millions of people. So I'll
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shut up now. That's my those are my considerations. Yes, that's great. You used a lot of examples that are way off
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my outline here, but it doesn't really matter. It's true. were attracted to singular narratives, especially in the
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conspiracy world. You could say the mainstream narrative is like I can trust all these people in authority. And that's my singular narrative. And
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probably the opposite in the conspiracy world. And I've done these interviews for 15 years. And I interview people who
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oftent times have a singular lane and it's going to be all about the Jesuits.
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It's going to be all about this group or that. and I just hear them out and then I say to the audience, look, maybe I'm
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too dumb to tell you what to think, but we hear every case and whoever makes the best case kind of wins the argument, you
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know, and I'm sure it's a little bit of truth in all these things, but like you say, problem, reaction, solution. They
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do things one way and then they bring someone up who says, "Hey, look what they're doing over here." And then
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everyone's like, "Yeah, this guy's actually telling the truth." And then they give you a solution that is it is another trap. I have no problem with
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people re-examining everything they've been told. A lot of your work is about these characters of history that have
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been crafted and deconstructing their actual biography and saying a lot of that's a lie. So yeah, we have to do
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everything we can to look at everything we've assumed and then be like, was that a lie or was there some truth to it? Is
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it somewhat in the middle? So, I don't have a problem with someone re-examining the speeches of Hitler or re-examining
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some of the stuff that people were attracted to because you got to re-examine everything. I just don't think we can take anything for granted,
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but a lot of time you find, well, I shouldn't swing the pendulum completely the other way. The truth is probably
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somewhere in the middle. And you have to admit that they're seing little truths to be extra manipulative to get people
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back into a different camp. So these are the murky waters we swim in, right? It it's tough to to see anything clearly.
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But before we get too deep into the unexpected topics, I wanted to start by giving you a bonafide attab boy for the
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piece you wrote on Christmas Eve last year. Elon Musk and Peter Teal, two sides of one magic trick. Now we've just
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seen Elon getting inducted into the black eye club, whatever the hell that is. I think there's definitely something to it. and leaving the administration
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and publicly feuding with Trump and at the same time all the headlines come out come out about Palunteer getting the
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green light to build the big database on all Americans and it just seems like one tech bro passing the football to another
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and this post you wrote way back when really foreshadows what's playing out
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right now wouldn't you say yeah unfortunately e um well that that was
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and that post that I that I published was part of a book. It was a chapter of a book that I was working on that's now
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published and available called Rosacrruian Golem. It's uh Revenge of the Mystery Cults Volume Two. You got a
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knack for titling things. I will say that. Thank you. It's actually I got a copy of it here if people want to if
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they see it online, they want to pick up a copy. It's uh the Revenge of the Mystery Cults Volume 2. It's got the Rosacruian cross there and you know you
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got Isaac Newton, a rotten apple, Nicola Tesla, Charles Darwin and uh in shadow
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in the back there is is Elon um and and yeah the basically the the governing theme that I'm I'm trying to sort of
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weave together is that there is a Rosacruian um magic trick that's been ongoing that
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ties what's going on right now to the emergence of the Rosacrruian back in6006
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in their official their their more modern form at least um which gave rise
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to a ritual mass murder of the world in the form of the 30 years war that killed off millions of people which the Rosian
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had organized setting off religious wars that went on for generations um in
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Europe and how this thing that's tied to John D Bacon a whole network of people
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paracelus uh Robert Flood transformed the the England into an empire seated
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things like the invisible college that's how they organized themselves They created certain synthetic frontmen or
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cardboard cutouts. As I as I go through one example of Isaac Newton himself, a
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self-p profofessed Rosacruian, the Babylonian witch as you call him in your writings. Yeah. Yeah. Babylonian witch.
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That was that was John Mayarines actually himself. Oh, there you go. Part of this Rosacrusian operation and the Fabian Society who bought up uh Isaac
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Newton's chest and said that Isaac Newton actually when you look at his his original works and and John Maynard Keen
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was happy about this. He said he was actually not so much the first of the modern scientists but the last of the Babylonian witches. That that's John
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Mayard Kees. And again he was happy about that because he was like that's his tradition. Um so that you know
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because because all of his original works were were alchemy were numerology trying to calculate the end times was
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cababalism. So all that to say why what I try to do in that book
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um again I I luckily had a lot of researchers that helped me was map out
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where did where are the fallacies uh where are the false narratives about what is science because there's a whole
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battle about how the science is the domain where the human mind comes into contact with the mind of God like that's
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how I see science in the in the healthy sense it's like we're looking for the laws of creation and if we're creative
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and we have a heart and a mind attuned with passion and love of truth more than our own axioms, then we will be able to
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self-quest and even eliminate by our own free will those false constructs that are withholding our ability to make that
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leap, that discovery, that eureka. And so those those we are told a story about
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that science today in the worlds that are controlled by oligarchs that it was
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that science occurred by people like Sir Isaac Newton uh by Renee Daycart who uh
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Francis Bacon or later on Charles Darwin and there we've got a a whole plethora of modern of of modern secular gods of
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the scientific you know uh enlightenment pantheon that we're told were like these great minds. You know, Richard Dawkins
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in a modern setting is another one. And all that to say, but then when you look at what that is, we're told, well, how
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did they make those discoveries? Well, the the method that all of them promote or that we're told to abide by is a form
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of radical empiricism, a belief in in sense certainty and that the mind must
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simply use the five senses in a radical form to look for patterns and then
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extrapolate patterns into universal laws that they then label with symbols that can then be memorized, repeated, and
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applied almost like in a monkeylike way by others. And they those people can become convinced that they're doing
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science. Now I could say when I actually look at the the works of people who made those discoveries, it wasn't Newton.
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Almost every I would say even every single discovery that Newton is attributed for having made as a part of
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this Rosa Krishna invisible college can be attributed earlier to real continental scientists like Johannes
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Kepler like Godfrey Liness like PL dema like uh Christian Huygens who are
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actually making the breakthroughs on the inverse square law on optics on everything on the infinite decimal
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calculus. So what's being what's happening and this this goes into the the running theme is that there has been
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a technique to take to try to steal the fruits of the discoveries made by real
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integrated human beings and if you can't destroy science at
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least try to co-opt it and re repurpose it for your for your own ends says the empire or says any imperialist. And what
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they've done is they've they need to they've had a technique that's been
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sharpened of taking cardboard cutouts that they then will steal new
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technologies, new or new innovations, new techniques, new discoveries, big big discoveries too, and then repackage
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them. They will they will eliminate the soul of the discovery, the method. They will then just give it a the shell. They
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will keep the shell like the formula that can be memorized and then they will pass it on in something that can be
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memorized like Newton's Principia Mathematica which is just a compendium of it's like an encyclopedia of right
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answers but no no question of causa causation what was he thinking about what were what was his experiments what
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what did he do what did he do wrong nothing of that is there so that's part of what the oligarch has been trying to
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do to give us a false sense of knowledge of the universe and then also O keep us
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in a in a cage. Now, as you alluded to this this Peter Theal Elon Musk thing,
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um they both characters when you start scratching on the surface and and the the article that came right before that
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one in in the book is Elon Musk and the revival of technocracy 2.0 know um which
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basically gets at the um the theosophical Rosaian elements that
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shaped Elon Musk's grandfather uh Joshua Halddalon who was assigned working very
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closely with Fabians and road scholars in Canada who set up what was known or
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led the Canadian branch of Temocracy Inc. to create um basically a I think at
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this point it's become more known amongst the type of viewers who watch your show uh that they they were calling
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for essentially a complete overhaul of mankind a recrafting of human beings
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under a scientific um tech like a technocratic elite that would involve
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establishing a centralized control grid with Greenland, all of North America,
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Mexico all the way down to Panama as the the centralized control system. And um
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and Elon Musk has made reference to the TechNate idea. He's even taken the uh
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the naming um procedures that the technate of his of his grandfather had
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promoted which was that you have to if you want to be a member of this new society and all members of the of Temocracy Inc. had to give up their
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names or at least substitute their names for a series of numbers and X's. M so
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Joshua Halddeman's name was like X235X2 and we could see that Elon Musk has even
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like given a little bit of an homage to that for one of his uh probably you know test tube kids
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I say probably I don't know but probably and and has g given direct explicit lip
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service to Temocracy Inc. as something that he believes should be the basis of his vision for
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Mars colonization calling for a Martian technate uh other things. So if you if you trace out the the lineage and of
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Elon Musk as a personality both as as he was promoted as a great genius who sort
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of was self-generated as a great genius and the richest man in the world proves that he must be the most brilliant mind
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and who's got all of these patents technological patents associated to his name. A lot of it is very
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um reminiscent of the type of approach that that that was used to craft the
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figure of Isaac Newton three cent four centuries earlier. Isaac Newton who himself could never publicly defend in
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an he he was never allowed to go into an uncontrolled setting where people would challenge his so-called discoveries cuz
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he couldn't put them into words. He was a member of parliament. He was a a very powerful figure. He was rewarded. He was
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made the the grant the the the master of the mint of the bank of England, you know. So, he was given a lot of political power, but he would never said
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anything on record in the bank of in the in the parliament. He was only known for getting his rocks off uh passing the
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death sentence for anybody who was like counterfeiting. So, and he always wanted to watch the torture and the murder of
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the people in England who were like passing on uh counterfeit coins. So, that's Newton was a was a sociopath.
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Again, he was into occultism in secret and then being passed off like he was this great empiricist scientist. And I
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think you know Isaac uh Elon Musk he's never allowed to be in an uncontrolled environment where people are
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authentically challenging him. He cannot put and many many expert software engineers who really know their stuff
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have listened to him try to describe the software that he we're told he he invented and the patents he owns and he
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can't do it. So, he's clearly got handlers and is clearly mostly a branding projection. He falls apart just
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in a 2-hour podcast interview with someone who's kind of on his side. He just doesn't come off as all that
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intelligent. It is it is a facade. Like, I like the cardboard cutout analogy. And
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we have deconstructed the Royal Society and had a lot of criticisms of all of its members and its various branches. I
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mean, anthropology, history itself, all the different types of sciences and how the mainstream worldview has kind of
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been crafted, but what's so interesting about your work is you also go after that alternative and you held up the
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book cover. Obviously, Tesla's on that book. It is interesting that Musk got
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this counter kind of counterculture credibility by using the Tesla name when
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his car company first came out. People like, "Oh, this guy, he gets it. He knows he knows the alternative stuff."
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Well, in this nine-part series on Tesla, you talk about a lot of the mythmaking,
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and to quote part one, you write, "Was Nicola Tesla a great genius ahead of his time as a modern prophet or electrical
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wizard, as some have called him, or is there evidence that something much more insidious was a foot? An image has been
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passed down to us of a renegade genius misunderstood by those living in his era. Constantly financially attacked by
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the evil financiers who preferred to support the unscrupulous Thomas Edison or Maronei, leaving him poor, digging
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ditches for food and selling his futuristic patents for money. But is any of this actually true? My contention is
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that scratching at the carefully crafted official narrative of Tesla's life and works, extremely dark forces are soon
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found lurking under the shiny surface, which should not be ignored. And I love
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having assumptions challenged. My whole paradigm has kind of been like,
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well, look, the oligarchs and the robber barons, they kind of crafted the
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mainstream science around meterable controllable things. Let's make sure
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electricity is metered and wired and not abundant and we can charge for it. Oil,
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same thing. And then the alternative world suggests that there is a lot of
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stuff out there that's been cut around like the ether and etherbased physics
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and you know anti-gravidic electrogravidic technologies and a lot of that whole
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worldview goes a lot deeper than just Tesla. It doesn't come out of just one guy. I mean there's Wilhelm Reich,
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there's Victor Shawberger who looked at nature and saw vortexes and other things. There's Tons and Brown. There's
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more modern people like Christopher Hitchensson who is a Canadian who used to film levitation on YouTube and then
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died suddenly. There's Stanley Meyers who got cars to run on wire uh cars to run on water and also got killed. So I'm
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kind of in this in this uh box of thinking that there is a lot of more abundant and free flowing
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technologies that have been suppressed. you seem to write about ether in a negative sense
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like that's a bunk thing. At least that's the the vibe I get from from what you've written. But talk to us about a
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better way, the correct way to think about the alternative science world and and a figure like
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Tesla. Yeah, sure. Um well, I would say a lot
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of this stuff like science is fake. Like most of the science we've been given, we can all agree, is mostly fake
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makebelieve uh narratives that are keeping us from actually discovering the laws of the universe with but still
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giving us an arrogant sense of self-satisfaction. If you're, you know, an academician in in university or, you
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know, you're you're getting research grants, you've got a a false sense of of arrogance that you you know, yes, of
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course, we know exactly what's inside the sun. Look at these graphs and we know that the in the side of the earth you've got you know this much mantle and
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this much core and we know exactly how that works and clearly and that we know exactly the big bang. We to the
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millionth of a second of a picoscond we know exactly 13.7256 you know billion years ago was the big
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bang and before that there was nothing and then after that we're going to go to a heat death with after which there will
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be ultimately nothing. So, of course, we know and the arrogance is astounding, right? It's it's sickening. Um, but it's
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the consequence of what the oligarchy wants because we lose the passion to seek the unknown when we think we know
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it all. Like, why? Why? Why? You know, if anything, we'll feel threatened if a
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student asks a good question. The teacher will, if they're of that rigid mindset, become even angry that the
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student is asking a question that they don't know the answer to already, you know, and they'll they'll typically
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instinctually attack. Um, so that's useful for an oligarchy. But what are they suppressing? Like I made reference
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to how Isaac Newton's discoveries can be attributed. If you if people look at the original works of like look for the the
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origins of the ideas like those ideas attributed to Newton came decades in
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some cases like in the case of Kepler gener a couple a generation before Newton was even born. Kepler was
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discovering gravity. How was he discovering gravity? He didn't like the inverse square laws there in in Kepler's
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works published in 1619. He's discovering it by the harmonics. So he's looking at Pythagorean harmonics and
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doing it intelligably. You could read all of Kepler's writings that have that have survived like his har harmonies of
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the world where his third planetary law of motion is expounded upon where he discovers provably that the reason for
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the planetary orbits cuz he's asking the question why are the orbits that are knowable located in the positions uh
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that they're located in and not some other possible set of configurations but we find them in these certain configurations why that and not some
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other and his hypothesis he takes from from Plato's Tomus which Plato's Tomus
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first out this hypothesis from the Pythagoreans that there is a geometric harmonic beauty and an a coherent
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ordering right of the planets that ties into the platonic solids and the nesting of the five platonic solids the
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dodcedron iicosahedron uh ocahedron cube and tetrahedron so
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there's a a lawful way of nesting them that gives you certain proportions but the the data empirically was not
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available in the time of Plato to actually pursue that to make a discovery fully but the hypothesis was a potent
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one. St. Augustine even even explores that in the last three chapters of his unabbridged um confessions and this is
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like a big idea. Da Vinci is even looking into the question of the the docahedron and its relationship to
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nature to life to the cosmos. So Kepler actually proves it. He takes it and he's got enough data for the
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first time to actually take that hypothesis and then demonstrate that there is a musical coherent or order ordering and that the that tempers the
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behavior of all of the planets around the sun and that has huge geopolitical man uh implications because that means
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if the if the universe is or organized in a harmonious way by by a composer creator um which is coherent to the mind
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of the mortals and he's not part of a ruling family he's not part of a noble Rosacrruian bloodline or something he's
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just a human being from like a lowborn, but who was able to make this this incredible discovery and then translate
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that into words that were intelligible. That means that the entire way that that society's permitted itself to be
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organized has been completely wrong. And he's very coherent about that in his writings. Now when you actually look at
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the the breakthroughs made by the big breakthroughs made in science in all the subsequent years coming after and by the
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way Kepler is citing uh Leonardo da Vinci's work on the golden section Luca Pacioli's work on the golden section
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which happened a generation earlier than Kepler. So there's a direct continuity of this this unbroken continuity between
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the Pythagorean Platonic school that was also fighting to create a new type of society that would be premised around
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natural law and and a true harmony founded upon the the sacredness of individual liberty at the same time as
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the individual is is matured to realize that their freedoms are in in are tied
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directly into their duty. that that's the conception of the philosopher king uh notion developed by Plato and that
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was sort of carried forth. Um so Linets who discovers the infinite decimal calculus is is not just doing
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mathematics. He's this is these are ideas that are ripped off and then we're told are are tied to to Isaac Newton.
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It's not true. He's looking at Kepler's works. He's looking at the nonlinear changes in physical spaceime. They're
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they're looking at the integration of of space, matter, and time already. All all
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of these potent thinkers are doing that. And they think of space as a saturated thing. They they don't they're all
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battling the empty space idea of Uklid, of Newton, who presume that there's such a thing as empty space with
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self-existent matter just floating around pushing and pulling on itself through mysterious forces in absolute
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time. So all of these figures like like linets like Kepler uh like the Bernoli brothers who are making great
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discoveries on nonlinear physical spaceime later on Gaus later on remon they they later on which is cited by by
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Einstein as the foundation for this idea of a Romanian physical spacetime that has curvature that has saturation. Mox
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plunk's work on the quantum is directly tied into this. Mox plunk is studying Kepler and studying Kepler saying to
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these new new generation of of physicists that if you want to understand science, you have to read Kepler and nobody's listening to him.
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They call him the crazy old man who doesn't believe in the new discoveries of randomness as if that's a new discovery. But but the people who are
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making the discoveries that form the foundation of of the best breakthroughs, including the work in the they they
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recognize that there is some form of an ether, that there's a a shape to space, and that includes Einstein. Um, as I get
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it in in chapter six of this book, Einstein actually was defending he had an idea of an ether, but it wasn't the
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type of idea of the ether that was promoted then by the networks of the occultists and Rosaian then circling
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around the figure of Thomas Huxley who was the grandfather of Aldis and Julian
34:44
um and the handler of Charles Darwin at the at the invisible college in England
34:49
at that time. So they had an idea of an ether that was based upon
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um an occult idea that there would be that there are angels and demons and
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other entities and elementals. That's sort of the Gnostic idea that exist in this other domain that we can channel.
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And so a lot of these guys are are are utilizing sort of delic channelers as
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part of their operation for themselves. you know, people like Sir Edward Bullworth Littton, who's also part of
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this whole uh Rosacrusian revival apparatus, very closely tied to Al to uh
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Thomas Huxley. They're using channelers. They're they're trying to invoke demonology. They're trying to uh talk to
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the dead. They're doing necromancy in that sense. Um, and so part of the idea of that version, that sick idea of the
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ether, is that there are all of these demon forces, dead dead ghosts that we
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can like interface with if we are adept and gnostically sort of initiated.
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That's driving the world insane. And you've got an attempt to try to validate
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scientifically that notion of the occult ether through the veneer of science. And people who were mentors of a young
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Nicola Tesla in uh I was surprised to discover but I guess increasingly less
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and less surprised the more I looked into it were people like um William Krooks, Sir William Krooks who's known
36:12
as like this great you know mathematician, technologist, scientist. He was the president of the British
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Royal Society for a few years. He was also the president of the uh uh
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psychical society the the British um society for cyclical research society
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for psych thank you society for he was the president of that at the same time and he was the mentor of Tesla uh they
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write lifelong course or not lifelong but for many many years in the 1890s they're writing correspondences Tesla's calling him my mentor Krooks is trying
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to he's he's helping to promote the spiritualist religion to overthrow Christianity as a whole in his position
36:52
as this scientist and he is stealing ideas of other scientists. There's there's actually a number of of real
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real scientists who he's ripping off saying his his ideas are his own and then he's redefining what's going on
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within his his test his his crooks crooks devices crooks tubes that he's
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then saying okay what's going on when you're looking at these plasmas is actually uh you know ghostly forces tied
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to our dead loved ones and relatives and he's helping to create fraudulent
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mediums and and supporting these fraudulent mediums who discovered to be fraudulent, but he's he's trying to use
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his authority to pass this off. So, this is what what Tesla is being shaped by. And Tesla ends up playing also a big
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role in a lot of this, too, promoting the idea that machines that he's being
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given and being told are are things he's patented, like little little machines that are automated. Um, his his tea
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automat tea automaton is a big one. He's he's circulating across the United States in the 1890s acting like it's a
37:55
self-thinking machine that's solving problems that that he's asking his audience. It's kind of like a PT Barnum
38:00
skit. And he's asking his audiences to go and and pose questions to this machine, this tea automata, but only
38:07
mathematical questions and it'll solve all of the the questions for you. And using a bunch of lights, it answers
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questions. And the audience is is flipping out and he's of he's telling them that it's doing this because he's
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telepathically communicating to this this thing through the power of his his
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very adept mind and and neck muscles that he says is allowing him to transmit
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his will into the machine to answer for him. It's not true actually. It turns out it's these things are being run by
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one of his assistants hidden in the background with a little device controlling the buttons. Um, so he's
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part of this magic trick, you know, and and that that kind of got got me. So I'm I'm seeing So I'll wrap it up here this
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way. There is this beautiful set of discoveries throughout the 20th century from people like Christian Birkeland um
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who is part of the Keplerian uh harmonious plasmab based uh worldview
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that founds the that creates the foundation of a lot of what became in our more recent days known as the electric universe you know model which
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is I would say the the more correct model than anything available otherwise good but it's it's infused Christian
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Berkeland who was looking at plasmas in in the real sense and Berkeland currents which do are truly founding
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like the the relationship of all of the planets to the the the the sun as electric currents as electric circuits
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moving through plasma and every sun within our galaxy as interconnected within a very saturated domain. All of
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the great dis discoveries I think were happening through that that current. But
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the oligarchy has done two things. They've tried to well they killed I think they killed Christian Berkeland
39:44
first of all. Um but they they they tried to they tried to steal those discoveries so that they could then use
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them for their own purpose to repurpose them and then use them at their choice not to en uplift people to a better way
39:57
but to enslave us. And on the other hand if they can't completely subvert people's appreciation for this tradition
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what they can do is they can infuse crazy into it. infuse it with occultism so that we get we fall off the path of
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this tradition so that there's people like um herself a Rosaian Francis Yates
40:17
whose book I'm reading right now called the Rosacrusian Enlightenment she's just
40:22
it's the from the Warberg Institute by the way that published this thing in the in the 70s she's lying all over the
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place she's trying to say that Kepler's a Rosarian liess is a rosarian everybody's a Rossian every all
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everything good came out of out of people doing black magic Um, and so that's what they're that's
40:40
what they do. They're like, you know, and so they they create these these new little mystical narratives, right? And
40:45
I'll end it there, I guess. But that that's sort of my my my way of approaching that that very difficult question that you threw at me. No, it's
40:51
it's all great. You are a really good speaker. You've clearly done a lot of research into all this stuff and I have
40:58
this lengthy outline. We're only on page two of a seven page outline. Clearly, I'm looking at the time. We're not
41:04
really going to get to everything, but you kind of did say overthrowing Christianity, and this is kind of where,
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like I said earlier, I interview a lot of people. They have their own perspectives on all of this murky stuff,
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and yours seems to be Christianity. Like, that seems to be your true north. I'm getting the sense that if it isn't
41:23
Christian, then it's in the bad category. And I guess I feel like you lump in a lot of things as occult or
41:30
negative that I wouldn't put in that context. Not all I mean things get used
41:35
like let's MK Ultra, you know, you say you talk about MK Ultra, you talk about psychedelic studies. Yes. But I think
41:41
you kind of throw the baby out with the bathwater there because even though psychedelics were used in MK Ultra and
41:49
they were weaponized and they were even propagated in the culture of the 60s and all that, some of them are natural and
41:55
some of them I think you know like mushrooms I think have a real spiritual purpose. I think if you get outside of
42:02
the small sliver of western culture using them, trying to find a truth serum
42:08
or weaponize them, there's a a robust global usage of these things for a
42:15
natural spirituality. I think if we're getting to the laws of nature, like this is a natural thing that opens up
42:21
consciousness. And this is just one example, but you're hard on SRI and
42:26
remote viewing. you're hard on a lot of the stuff that I would say side
42:34
effects. You know, it seems like you doubt all this stuff is even possible or channeling. Like yes, there's a lot of
42:40
fraud in channeling and mediumship, but I also think there is direct downloads
42:46
from something of a spiritual nature that some people occasionally get. Uh, I
42:51
know your series about the hidden hand behind UFOs goes really deep into the manipulations there with government
42:59
intelligence and Rosaians. It's really well done. But I think you you don't
43:05
give much attention to the wide range of strange
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bizarre experiences people do report to have with something. From your Christian
43:16
perspective, is that demons? Is it all fabricated? Like that's kind of where I have a hard a hard a hard um time really
43:24
grappling with the wider worldview of how much credibility you give to some of
43:30
these other things. The sibles, another example. You refer to the sibles as
43:35
women who were raped by the priesthood and filled up with drugs and then thrown in a cave to babble. And it seems like
43:42
you don't put any credibility in the actual prophecies of the civils. That's okay. I could see a adjacent thing to MK
43:49
Ultra abusing kids to get them in exotic states of consciousness to try to extract some kind of information from
43:57
the wider reality. Like there's a a parallel between the way you describe the civils with the language I just used
44:04
and what MK Ultra was doing to kids. So, I'm trying to, you know, stumble through
44:09
a summary of what I expected to get through over the course of two hours because I just want to make like get the
44:15
overview that you think these all these alternative things you kind of just seem to think they're all [ __ ]
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Well, I I don't know if um Well, here there's a lot of elements that you you raised there. I had to best No, but I I
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do I do it too, right? Like I throw so much at you as well, so it's it's Yeah. Um,
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so what I would say for the first up, uh, my position, uh, metaphysical position personally speaking, um, if you
44:42
were to ask me like what do I categorize myself most as, I I'd primarily say pro probably a platonist. Um, that's
44:50
probably what I would do. Um, kind of I'm very sympathetic to Ben Franklin.
44:56
Um, like I've read a lot of Ben Franklin's works. Oh, no. Hellfire Club. What about Yeah. Yeah. You know, I studies under his house. Nah, they made
45:04
that up. They made that up. See, that's what they do. Well, you even think the Nagamadi texts were a forgery, which,
45:11
you know, No, no, I don't think it's a forgery. I think it's a coming out party. I like I think that those texts
45:17
weren't discovered in 1946. I think that they were already known, but after World
45:23
War II, as a new onslaught to prepare for um a new great reset was like a new
45:29
reset of all of the human condition was being put into motion and all of the Nazis were being sort of given new
45:34
assignments to run NATO and the global secret army apparatus and stuff. If people don't know about that, I'm sorry
45:41
for you people not listen to that. Uh but at the same time as that whole new
45:47
uh plan was being brought online, I think that the decision was made at that moment to release them to the public as
45:55
a bit of a coming out party with a bit of a story around a Muhammad Ali murderer on the run from the law who
46:00
found himself in a cave and discovered all of these these texts that then, you know, were very quickly translated uh
46:08
under the the um the management of Carl Jung and and the Carl Young Institute and you put
46:15
Carl Young in the in the category of like part of the millu of uh the bad guys. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. See that that I
46:23
think that's what's so surprising to people. You lump you put Tesla Rudolph Steiner and Carl Young in this group as
46:30
Rosaians that are manipulating the alternative. You even go so far at one point to draw some connections between
46:36
Tesla and Crowley. We've covered Crowley as a British spy before, but not to this degree where you suggest that Tesla's
46:43
Warden Cliff Tower, funded by JP Morgan, of course, a red flag, might have been a
46:48
way that Crowley reported back. And you say there's a report from US Office of
46:55
Navy intelligence dated July 10th, 1917 that zeroed in on Theodore Rouse,
47:01
Crowley's fellow leader in the Rosacrruian Otto. I don't ever hear the OTO described as Rosacruian, but they
47:08
stated that Crowley maintained some mysterious means of communication with their chief in Berlin, Rudolph Steiner.
47:14
So, I don't ever hear these threads connected. And that's what makes me think like, am I talking to someone who
47:21
comes from this Christian perspective that saysnosticism bad,
47:27
Rosa Christianism bad? I mean, I don't know. I can't I don't necessarily have a dog in the fight, but I just never hear
47:34
these things tied in together and it seems like uh that's kind of unique to
47:39
you. Thanks. I guess sure. I look for unique
47:44
perspectives. That's why you're here. I try. So, okay. Look, um so yeah, get getting back to the thing. So, my
47:50
position being um somebody who abides and I was mentioning Ben Franklin. So, when Ben Franklin was asked like what
47:56
what's your position? What's your religion? What's your what's your philosophy? He's like, I I follow Confucious, Socrates, and Jesus. Right?
48:02
So, the point being is I'm looking at the life. He's looking at the life of how they they they self-organized their
48:07
minds and their their messaging to make the world a better place and to understand creation. And Socrates,
48:12
Confucious, and Jesus, I think, are are pretty pretty solid people. Um, I'm I'm very sympathetic to that way of
48:19
thinking. Um, so I'm always looking for like my my core elements to my faith is that there is a creator that created the
48:26
universe with reason and is not a dead creator that just made rules that can be that must be followed but is a is a
48:32
present living creator that's present at all times at all places create creating and that we are thus co-creating
48:38
potentially if we choose to with that creator if we're developing our minds and our aesthetical sensibilities
48:44
according to the in some way which is in conformity with the laws natural law so-c calledled the way it's developed by
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St. Augustine for example or or or Confucious um within his analcts or or
48:55
Mensius within his his golden uh his his doctrine of the mean um for example. So
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I, you know, I'm I'm I do have a sort of I'm looking for the universal attributes, the simple attributes that
49:06
different cultures have tapped into at different times that allows us to discover God's creation and and change
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our behavior through our own desires and our own will in in emulation with those discovered laws, hidden laws. Let me
49:19
just jump in to say broadly speaking, that's my world view too. I agree with that. I just think when we get into the
49:25
little nuances, the details, you put things in kind of a nefarious category that I don't think are necessarily
49:31
nefarious. I mean, God made the ammonita miscar miscarriia mushroom. I guess I
49:36
just wonder what you think about I would think. You're going you're going to try to tell me that all psychedelic
49:42
mushrooms are are are made by the CIA or something because they made LSD. No, no.
49:48
My my position on that on on the on the question of psychedelics is simply that
49:54
everything has to be done with um you don't want to skip steps in developing
50:00
uh your methods and your research and anything like you're not going to get a kid who's in grade three to go and you
50:07
know just immediately do work that is expected of of somebody in in grade 10. often times I think that what we are
50:14
dealing with is a lot of people have been victimized in ways they don't understand by a culture that's that's
50:21
withheld from them the because we live in an in an oligarchal system right that's that's the so we've been withheld
50:28
from our ability to to even just understand how our mind works in a healthy uh creative state in just a
50:35
natural creative reasonable state where reason and create creative spontaneity coexist at the same time um in a healthy
50:42
way. So, we've been cut off all of that history. That's why kind of why I went through that work that that brief sketch
50:48
about this history of science that's been cut off by this invisible college operation that's been creating on the
50:54
one hand a radical empiricist doctrine. And on the other hand, um, a a hyper
51:01
mystical gnostic doctrine that is a very an a an apparent opposition
51:08
to the the radical empiricism that they ironically promote for the public. But then they have something else for the
51:14
initiated higher elite who recognize the limitations of cartisianism, Newtonianism and want to go in the
51:21
opposite d and want to find something more healthy. Um, so they have something for the initiates as well to jump into.
51:27
I'm saying that there's another more another current that's been cut off from
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us which is tied to neither one of those two extremes but is founded upon a
51:39
coherent continuous school of thought that ties the sciences and the arts and
51:45
political freedom together that have co-evolved together by people who often get assassinated by these by these
51:50
entities by these agencies over the over the millennia. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if it comes to most
51:57
people that I encounter in our culture today who talk about all of the
52:03
explorations with psychedelics that they have had, they haven't they're skipping steps. They haven't taken their time to
52:09
understand how the this beautiful instrument of the mind works in a straight manner before they go off and
52:15
are trying to discover alternate universes and channel and and speak to other entities and stuff through the
52:20
assistance of naturally occurring products from nature. And I'm not saying that it should never be done. I'm just
52:26
saying it's being done in such a disjointed way that it's not making people better or more capable of
52:32
actually combating this oligarchical beast that wants to kill us all in a big extermination that's going to happen
52:39
pretty soon if we don't change our our paradigm because they're going to get their 95% population kill off if we
52:46
don't really think very differently about what they are and how they operate and how they get us to self-control in
52:52
our own worlds, you know. Okay, that's fair. That's fair to say, but we can't
52:58
control what other people think. And we're never going to get everybody to agree. People are so brainwashed. I gave
53:04
up on that a long time ago in terms of if we can only just get everybody to think X. If we can only get everybody to
53:10
fight this, then we can topple them. I don't know. No, I don't mean that at all. I just mean the the idea of people
53:16
who learn how their minds are supposed to work. There's no formula for that. Yeah, I was just commenting on that last part you said, but it seems like if I
53:22
were to lump all the alternative things that I mentioned earlier into one basket, it would be extended
53:28
consciousness or altered states of consciousness. Yes, the CIA explored this stuff, but you know, a lot of other
53:35
people outside of the CIA have explored altered states. It seems like you are kind of just generally
53:42
down on altered states of consciousness. I don't think you do. You think there's actually
53:48
um value in exploring altered states of consciousness? Do you think that precognition is a thing? Is remote
53:53
viewing real? I mean, I've done a remote view viewing experiment that worked. I don't think it's satanic.
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No, I'm not. I wouldn't say I think it's the question of how do we define this? It's like the ether question, right?
54:05
When I mentioned that that Einstein and Plunk believe also in the ether, it doesn't mean because we've been told
54:10
that you have to be either one extreme or the other. believe in empty space or you believe in the ether. We're we're
54:16
given these dichotoies, but they actually when you actually look at it believed in an ether. It just didn't fall into the category of what's being
54:21
promoted as the ether today. So I think the same thing goes in my mind for altered states. You know like if you
54:26
look at the the creative flow like when you're in a when you're in the zone whether you're an artist, a musician, um
54:33
an actor, you're you're really giving yourself entirely to not your ego.
54:38
You're putting yourself into the into the the flow of the spirit of the music that you're performing or of the of the
54:45
performance that you're performing if you're doing it authentically and honestly and you're and space and time
54:50
change. You even see it in sports. You know, people talk about being in the zone and physical spaceime is just or space time in general is just totally
54:56
condensed when you're in that creative flow state. So, in that sense, like yeah, I'm totally a big fan of alter
55:04
that type of category of altered states. They usually call it the flow state. Like that's one aspect. That's one
55:10
example. The zone is another example. There's there's numbers of many words that have been given to that state over
55:16
over the you know uh over the millennia. Um but again the question is in my mind
55:23
do we is it based upon the abandonment of our our reason? Do we completely lose
55:28
oursel entirely? Is there nothing of us and the eye left in the the flow state? Is it totally other or is there some
55:34
harmonious balance that can exist of the two where you're both the other and the self at the same time and and also
55:40
reasonable as well as creative at the same time like using reason but that's not rigid logic but a more healthy
55:46
creative reason at the same time as you're not abandoning uh the use of that that quality and I've noticed that a lot
55:53
of the discussion of altered states that come out of the Elin Institute that are being advanced um in our current culture
55:58
are based upon the abandonment of the use of reason and the abandon abandonment completely or the attempt to
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abandon the use of or the access to ego or the eye, whatever you want to call it. And that that is, I think, an error.
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I don't think that that's the the the healthiest approach to the altered state experience that we have available to us.
56:18
So, I don't want to run out of time without talking about two things, and I think we're going to, but UFOs and
56:23
China. I just you have such unique takes on China that I have to fit it in. But just to use UFOs as as an example of
56:30
this larger thing we're trying to talk about. Your series is great. You break down all the military intelligence
56:38
people that are involved in crafting the stories and crafting, you know, Roswell
56:44
and the aviary and all these people, Hal Putoff and Jacqu Valet. And you say this
56:50
is the new invisible college. These people are trying to seed a mythos that gets us into this technocsychedelic
56:56
gnostic one world government. Okay. I think the nuance there for me is I
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acknowledge almost everything you say in that series as true and as manipulation,
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but they're not making it up out of whole cloth. They're manipulating an actual reality of people having
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experiences with something non-human and then they're twisting it to say, "Well, these are aliens from another planet and
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you know, Darwinist evolution is going to take us there and this is a good thing and we should all want to go that direction." Like that's the HG Wells
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stuff that you fold in, the Mars stuff you fold in. Yeah, I I can acknowledge that. But are you of the position that
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what we call eupfology is just nothing? That hundreds of thousands of people
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don't have visitations in their room from something very strange that takes them out of body to another reality,
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gives them some weird download. Are you of the opinion that all of that is made up?
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Uh there's a um hold on, I'm just trying to get the name of the book here that I have in the other room. All I want to
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say is just because I think that there's a spiritual nature of something that has always existed with us and they're
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twisting that to make it eupfology. Okay. So, here's my my considerations on
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that question and that very important topic. I'm assuming you don't have a hard stop after two hours, do you? Or is
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it a hard stop? No, we can go a little longer if we need to. Little Okay. All right. I'll still try to keep it short, but so David McGawan, uh, excellent
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contemporary researcher. You Okay. So, he wrote a book called Programmed to Kill, and it's a fantastic book. His
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more famous book is uh Strange Things at Laurel Canyon, right? But the Programmed to Kill book that he wrote before that
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um examines all of the cases of known serial killers um over the past I think
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he takes about a century of a data set and he just goes through each case study
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to try to see kind of like what I did with the Jack the Ripper murder. Is are these naturally occurring as we've been
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told? um cases like the Zodiac Killer and others or or is there evidence of occult
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ritual um operations within and around those those murders? And he finds that
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in every single case there was a cult and intelligence operations tied to each
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one of those cases of seemingly uh we're told um dis discontinuous discreet cases
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of of serial killers. Um I I think of which Michael Aquino played a role in the Zodiac Killer one too with the
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processed church of final judgment which is also a Scientology outgrowth of 62 and that's tied to Charles Manson. Now
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the thing about this stuff is that Charles Manson thing comes up quite a bit. There was I've noticed in my research a practice amongst many of
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these various um cults of the 60s and 70s that really grew out in the 70s like
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they really blossomed big time. Um there was as Charles Manson called it um the
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practice it was a ritual of creepy crawly and people could Google creepy crawly Charles Manson family and this is
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something that was done to thousands of households where the family was told to go in and look for houses in suburb
1:00:06
neighborhoods and other places that have unlocked doors or windows and creep and crawl into the house and move things
1:00:12
around. And you know that was one thing that was there's one aspect of it which has been documented which involves you
1:00:20
know how this was done to both just put in a little bit of a scare into the population but not to nothing really
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harmful but within my line of research
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it wouldn't be cuz the case of of mass like personal abductions and especially
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the you know the the sexual molestation and and the the violence committed to a
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lot of the people who go through uh alien abduction cases and tell their story about it. Um there is a strange
1:00:50
amount of of anal rape um which is something that tends to occur or anal
1:00:55
examination with a probing that is a thing. It's a weird thing that aliens coming from another galaxy would be so
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obsessed with. I think that was something the media made in the 80s and 90s. They hyped it up to make it. It was
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a disproportionately large amount of people. The people I know who have had these people don't have that. But yeah,
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I mean, sure, it's in the Oh, you got the got the happy ones, too. But in that in that time, it was in the 60s and 70s,
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especially in the 70s when it really blossomed as far as the cases cuz before ' 62, you didn't really have any cases
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of of that sort of disturbing form. There was like the case of the Venusian space brothers that came and you know
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brought George Damsky into their ship. Uh there were the more like like beautiful Aryan kind of people. Um but
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then you had the more warped versions the more scary versions that started coming out of the 60s slowly but then in the 70s they blossomed. So my mind is
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would want I don't know how investigable this is, but that
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it wouldn't be hard for me to imagine how the creepy crawly type of practice
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could involve taking people in their sleep, giving them a bit of chlorophyll or something else to put them in even deeper of a sleep. um maybe with some
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masks, maybe coordinated those masks and then remove them to do things to those people in the 70s at which they're left
1:02:13
either in the forest or brought back into their bedroom. I don't know. Um, and then that creates in a in a days
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drugged out state people who might be told how to interpret what they just experienced um by information channels
1:02:27
that are open to them letting them know that it was actually aliens that did that to you that brought the light into your room and other things um that
1:02:33
caused your ass to hurt or whatever else. I you know for me I I would I I don't know if I don't think that work
1:02:38
has been done I would challenge people I know but knowing that that that is a thing I my mind goes there more than
1:02:44
anywhere else to try to say let's let's figure out if that accounts for a lot of these cases of uh you know of abuse and
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and and extraterrestrial abductions right um at that time usually that's framed as my lab exper experiences uh my
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lab abductions you know military abductions that simulate the things that are going on or maybe
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change them around to include some of the more nefarious aspects of it. But I
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just wanted to hone in on are you don't think that there is communication with
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nonhuman intelligence? No. At all? I don't. You don't think there are spirits and demons and
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multi-dimensional entities and these kind of things at all?
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No. I think these are I think the oligarchy believes in these things or
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but I don't think that they're real. I think that the oligarchy drives themselves uh into a form of
1:03:41
schizophrenia and disembodied states of of identities that Edgar Ellen Poe
1:03:46
documents in his short stories like the imp of the perverse uh pretty well or William Wilson is
1:03:54
another short story by Po where he goes through this higher type of of schismed
1:03:59
identity that has a demonic character that the oligarchy does to themselves that they build whole mythologies around
1:04:04
and organizing principles around that they then project as stories for everybody else to also fall into. But I
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don't think that that's actually true. I don't think there are these these forces for good for good or for bad or light or darkness that they interface with. Yeah.
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See, that's what I was trying to get to is just a straight answer on your thoughts on what is at the bottom of
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eupfology and you basically think it's nothing that it's all created by military intelligence and these Rosaians
1:04:29
and this invisible college to create something that isn't really there. Whereas my distinction is that I think
1:04:36
they are taking a reality that's always existed with humanity, a larger than
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material world, a larger hierarchy of conscious intelligences and then trying
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to change the rapper on that from a spiritual dichotomy to a more sci-fi reality. So
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that's the distinction that we have on that specific issue. But regardless, I
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do love having ideas challenged. I mean, you go on these uh Well, I I would say,
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look, Jacqu Valet did write some good books. Uh his books are pretty useful, even though I think he is probably
1:05:12
himself a Satanist. I think that's interesting. But his books are so useful and he's the first to really document
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the occult sort of overlap um with a lot of the cases of aliens and the
1:05:26
interdimensional idea that he introduces with his passenger to Meonia. And he
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does map out the different folklores of imps and child abductions from different
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villages in Sweden and Ireland going back to the Middle Ages and how different names were given to these
1:05:44
entities, these elves and and gnomes and you know different things, fairies that
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he says is what these more primitive peoples would have given as the name for the aliens that they were seeing, but
1:05:56
they didn't know what to call them or the demons which might be the same thing because they're leaping from a another,
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you know, dimension, right, which maybe was where they exist and into ours and they abduct kids. I would say what what
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what my mind finds more I was going to say attractive, repulsive, but yet still
1:06:15
what I'm attracted to as a as a hypothesis, a we know of all of these Witch Covens and Marina Brahmovich's
1:06:22
networks. She's not solo. She didn't come out of a vacuum, you know, she's overseeing like the child safety. She's the child safety ambassador for Ukraine,
1:06:29
which has the biggest like child abduction uh racket in the world. And but that again has been an unbroken
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continuity of witch covens that go back overseen by warlocks and and other
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things that have a weird sacred fetish about killing children. Um they seem to
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really want that. Human sacrifice in general is part of their ritual. I mean, I don't deny that. I just think that's
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the dark application of a magical reality. It doesn't have to be dark,
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just like, you know, regular murders. I'm just I'm just Yeah, maybe not. But but I'm saying what is what does seem to be present and pervasive throughout this
1:07:05
whole thing is that there has been um a lot of cases whether it's the the
1:07:10
warnings of the Grim brothers for Hansel and Gretle or the the warning of the the Pied Piper taking the kids away is that
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there has been a an an ongoing plague of secret cults
1:07:23
that have been uh murdering people in secret, passing themselves off under the
1:07:29
guise of of mystery that you can't understand that have been there in an unbroken manner and it take that
1:07:35
whatever that mystery is as a wall that's going to prevent your reason from understanding what they're doing it takes on different forms at different
1:07:42
ages but the effect is always the same and so I just see the the UFO story as
1:07:47
the most recent iteration of that exact same technique of creating a wall that
1:07:54
reason cannot tr trespass beyond that would otherwise help us understand the nature of this very sick
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um you know parasitical thing that the oligarchy is and does as
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part of their ritual like their own religion governing and [ __ ] up society. Yeah. It's really interesting
1:08:15
just to hear you talk because it really is like I have to go sentence by sentence and be like, "Oh, I really
1:08:20
agree with that sentence. Oh, that's where I differ. That it it's just really interesting because that's not a
1:08:26
dichotomy I'm used to with a lot of people." And uh so we have to talk about
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China a little bit. Let's bring it back to the modern day before we run out of time. So you're a fellow a senior fellow
1:08:38
of at the American University in Moscow. Your wife and you work on a lot of books together. She's Chinese. Together you
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wrote a two volume set titled Breaking Free of Anti-China Scios. You seem to be
1:08:50
in favor of the new Belt and Road Initiative. I've heard you talk about it a little bit. I understand that the
1:08:57
Western globalists are constantly saying Russia and China are bad, but I don't
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know that there is a good guy here. China and Russia don't really seem to be the beacons of freedom that you write
1:09:09
about them as. You say the Weaguer genocide thing is propaganda. The organ harvesting is propaganda. It seems like
1:09:16
you say the human rights abuses aren't real. And this is why you have a lot of critics online. You know, there's always
1:09:23
critics. I have critics too, but there's a lot of critics that think that you're funded by China and Russia. And I don't
1:09:30
ever think we need to go that far. Like, why can't we just kind of say that anyone just because someone has
1:09:37
criticisms of the way we look at other nations doesn't mean they're on the payroll. But I guess it's like, yes, I I
1:09:46
acknowledge there's some adversarial propaganda coming from the West. No doubt. You'd be dumb not to think that,
1:09:52
but I don't know if that covers the full spread of everything. I mean, don't you think China has its own human rights
1:09:58
abuses? Is there no weaguer genocide or surveillance state social crediting system to keep critics in line? Is this
1:10:05
all Western fabrication? Um, we should almost have a whole show
1:10:10
on this because these are these are not little questions. Ed, uh, do you want to
1:10:15
do a whole show on this at some point? I mean, we could sit down and actually like go through it case by case. I have to read that two volume book and then I
1:10:21
would say yes but try to to get set the stage for us. Okay. Uh all right. Well
1:10:27
here. So I I tend to try to um conduct my analysis utilizing as much of an
1:10:35
understanding of the uh the techniques of counter intelligence and propaganda
1:10:40
that I could possibly understand and with an appreciation for trying to I
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guess define the this death cult this this thing that's been latching on to
1:10:52
humanity for thousands of years that always has the same kind of desire at at in its heart and mind, whatever its
1:10:58
heart is. Um, which is essentially the same thing. It's it's global depopulation,
1:11:04
stasis, um, divide to conquer as a as a as a way of being, right? Keep people as divided
1:11:10
within themselves and with their neighbors as possible through a variety of techniques that involve bringing out the worst in us as humanly possible
1:11:17
through our education, our culture, our arts, our, you know, there's different ways of bringing out the worst part of people. Um, we got a better and a worse
1:11:24
part. They're good at the science of making us bad. uh or making us worse than we could be. And so I try to map
1:11:30
that out as best as I can and with this sense that there has been this positive thing that gave rise to the American
1:11:35
Revolution that gave rise to all of these these amazing blasts of freedom and progress against the will of the
1:11:41
oligarchy that have been really good, really great for humanity and really
1:11:46
inspiring. So I try to like do that in my mind as I'm carrying out my analysis
1:11:51
of current events. The thing with a lot of the narratives that I scratch upon looking at like different reasons for us
1:11:57
to think about China or Russia in a certain way or Iran and the Muslim world in a certain way usually fall apart uh
1:12:04
when I when I do my analysis. And I I noticed that you mentioned Yeah. I'm the
1:12:10
senior fellow of the American University in Moscow. Not paid, no money coming in from Russia or nothing like that. My
1:12:16
wife has a Chinese last name. Her mom was born in Hong Kong. um moved here
1:12:21
when she was a young girl. My wife has been born Canadian, doesn't speak Chinese, doesn't get paid from China.
1:12:27
So, we don't like that's not I know a lot of people have come out and I've encountered these types of of statements
1:12:32
that which is why I'm saying it right now because people say, "Oh, your wife has a Chinese last name. She's a Chinese agent. You've worked with the American
1:12:38
University Moscow. You're a Russian agent." I've gotten these things. So, I'm saying it that way. So, I look for the origins of narratives. Where are
1:12:45
they coming from? and what evidence do I actually find that's available to my reason my inquiring reason to see if
1:12:50
those narratives are true or false. So when it comes to those ones that you just mentioned and again my breaking
1:12:55
free of anti-China scops volume one and volume two go through a lot more detail
1:13:00
than I'm going to do right now. I'm also making some videos going through this to try to like add some multimedia
1:13:05
dimension and people can try to validate or disprove the claims that I'm making in the context of these arguments which
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I can't do justice to in this quick thing but I would say for the for the weaguer genocide claims um no there's no
1:13:21
so the thing about China and the and the the Muslims in Shinjiang is that China shares a 75 kmter border with
1:13:27
Afghanistan and the reason why there was the problem of Islamic terrorism What has everything to do with the fact
1:13:33
that back in the especially in the the 70s, Zabnu Brazinski and Henry Kissinger, but especially Zubign had a
1:13:39
program called Operation Cyclone that had a great idea to start promoting putting 500 I think they put $500
1:13:46
million of US taxpayer money. um also conduited through the Saudis and at the time Pakistani intelligence to creating
1:13:52
these radicalizing madrasas especially in Afghanistan that would try to bring about the worst possible most violent
1:13:58
reactionary interpretation of Islam that would teach uh young men what how to interpret the messages within their
1:14:05
Quran that would then tend to through the you know Wahhabi and and and Salafi
1:14:11
doctrination produce people who would be much more inclined to blow themselves up uh and become essentially
1:14:18
though they knew it though they didn't even know it most of the time proxies for the USA in a war against Russia that
1:14:24
would draw in Russia to weaken the Soviet Union. So that was like the origins of what became modern al-Qaeda.
1:14:30
Now that didn't stop when the Soviet Union collapsed. They continued doing that. they continue finding that and and
1:14:36
people looking at, you know, the real story behind 911 or or what was behind, you know, I ISIS today, whether in Syria
1:14:42
or Libya or Iraq or or Africa, they you you'll find MI6 and the CIA all over the
1:14:48
place. So the Chinese had they had a problem where they shared this border with an with an area that went
1:14:54
radicalized that involved also CIA annexes in Shing Jang that were set up in the late '7s throughout the 80s into
1:14:59
the '90s that were running there overseeing the incubation of radicalizing young men in mosques that
1:15:08
would again receive their money from the Saudis at that time in the '90s ' 80s ' 90s and that would then send them via
1:15:13
support with Turkey which was part of the Muslim Brotherhood to go and fight proxy wars in Syria and Libya where they
1:15:18
cut their teeth as head shoppers. By the year 20056, the terrorism started coming
1:15:24
into China and they had about 180 different cases of terrorist activity um
1:15:30
small and big in Shing Jang, but it was spreading around. It was really spreading quite a bit. China didn't
1:15:36
cause that problem, but they had to then deal with what do you do with the consequences of a bunch of indoctrinated young Muslim men who are declaring war
1:15:43
because they want to create uh you know East Turkiststan which is the like the entire province of Shing Jang they call
1:15:48
Turkystan which is also what a lot of National Endowment for Democracy aka CIA think tanks also call that area of China
1:15:56
in in a lot of the the think tanks that are in Washington or in Australia and they they call that area of China East
1:16:03
Turkiststan they they don't believe it should be part of China that it should be carved out and it's it's a bulcanization doctrine. The same thing
1:16:10
is that you see with a lot of these think tanks that look at the Russian map and they have you can Google it online
1:16:15
there's like you know 14 different subfederations that they want to create little microethno states out of under
1:16:21
the control of the IMF and the World Bank. So that's part of the of the technique. Now China had to deal with
1:16:26
that problem. Um, part of what they did is they didn't bomb any other countries the way we did when we had a Muslim
1:16:32
problem, like a Muslim terrorist problem. Um, they had to do it do it without bombing anybody, which they did
1:16:38
through an economic development strategy. So, if you look at Shing Jang and the Shing Jang genocide or the
1:16:43
Muslim genocide problem that we've all been told, we who actually are part of countries that that did kill millions of
1:16:49
Muslims and are still doing it. Uh but we've been told to be all bleeding heart and sympathetic to apparently these
1:16:56
abused Muslims all of a sudden we should care about in China. Um who went from having a life expectancy of 39 years of
1:17:04
age in 1975 to 76 years of age today. The population itself has more than
1:17:10
tripled in that same period of time. They have had no although the Chinese through the club of Rome and Henry
1:17:15
Kissinger in 7980 did impose a one channel one child policy on themselves
1:17:21
through the club of Rome when they brought in the club of Rome which is again a David Rockefeller operation that
1:17:27
brought in this these computer models to justify depopulation that was one of the conditions upon which they would be
1:17:32
granted the right to have access to factories that Kissinger then oversaw. So they did that to themselves but they
1:17:37
never applied it to the the Muslims. They never applied it to their ethnic minority groups. They never applied it to the Tibetans. So they only applied it
1:17:43
to the Honchinese, which they then finally ended in 2015 when they realized how much self-mutilation they conducted on themselves. So there's no more one
1:17:50
China policy. However, they didn't do it to the Muslims. The Muslims as well, there's 26,000 mosques today in
1:17:56
Shenzhen, which per capita is more than any other non-Muslim country in the world. More than the United States as
1:18:02
far as people per capita having access to mosques. That's more than the USA. It's more than any country in Europe. Even though Europe is being flooded by
1:18:08
George Soros's operations to get, you know, a bunch of Muslims whose countries we bombed, we bombed to the stone age
1:18:14
who can't live there anymore, who were then being sent in and being deployed to create havoc in in North America and in
1:18:20
Europe. But despite that, the per capita access to mosques is of the highest outside of any non-Arab or any Arab
1:18:27
country uh Muslim country. The quality of life and job opportunities. So, a lot of these so-called concentration camps
1:18:33
when you actually Brian Burletic actually is a former US he's a former US soldier who now lives in Thailand and
1:18:38
has a great channel called uh New Atlas and his analysis of both the Ukraine front as well as uh the the Weaguer
1:18:46
genocide claims is impeccable. Okay, he's the most rigorous guy I know. Brian Burletic, New Atlas YouTube, he's good.
1:18:52
Just type in China we'll find hundreds of videos. He's the most rigorous guy I found who's debunked the idea that there
1:18:58
are these concentration camps. The the information that they're using is based upon selective data from satellites that
1:19:07
ignore [ __ ] tons of data that that would disprove the claims that they want as an outcome. Um you have trade schools and
1:19:13
you have econ like new industrial corridors, tons of jobs being built, like I said in in Shing Jang.
1:19:19
Entrepreneurialism is increasing massively and they're not losing their culture. you have everyone there is is
1:19:24
still in as part of the education system. The local dialects and cultures are still being taught at the same time
1:19:30
as they're also learning Mandarin at the same time as they're learning for the first time real skills that are giving them job opportunities. So they don't
1:19:35
want to blow themselves up because they have no hope for the future. So that's something that's going on which is pissing off a lot of the CIA front
1:19:42
groups around the the National Endowment for Democracy of which I list many of them in in my special report um that are
1:19:48
also tied to British intelligence and and Australia. Um, on the organ harvesting thing, that's a whole thing
1:19:54
that that's gonna require we go into Fall & Gong, which is Yeah. And I actually was going to bring on Fallen
1:20:00
Gong. You say they're the next uh thing you're going to cover in your UFO series, so maybe I should just wait till
1:20:05
that is out. But yeah, Fallen Gong, I only hear about them in the context of
1:20:11
this being the group that is having their organs harvested. You call them an Asian UFO cult, so I assume you don't
1:20:18
like them all that much, but I I know this is a lot to unpack, but I appreciate you at least unpacking the
1:20:25
Weaguer thing. That is a framing that I've never heard. It does make logical sense when I'm following what the
1:20:32
globalists tend to do. So, yeah, they are responding to a problem that was
1:20:38
created by the globalists and the meddlers. That's uh story as old as time. So many things seem to be that,
1:20:45
but it's framed as just a racist, oppressive, we just don't like these people, so they're now in concentration
1:20:52
camps. And it seems to be like a lot of things, the story needs to be started earlier to see how that problem arose
1:21:00
and who actually started the problem rather than crying wolf and being like, "Hey, look at this." As you say, it's
1:21:06
very hypocritical given all the things our country does. But man, really interesting. I still have so many
1:21:13
questions even about Tesla. I don't even We went so far off the map from even Oh, yeah. That was the whole point. We were
1:21:19
going to talk about Tesla. Uh your work is so dense and deep and I've spent all week trying to package it
1:21:26
up into somehow getting a lot of things into a two-hour conversation and uh well, people will judge how we did, but
1:21:34
tell people where they can dig deeper into the many irons in the fire that you have. Give them your links and all that
1:21:41
good stuff. Yeah. Thanks, man. Yeah, this is this is a fun way to start my day. This is cool. Um, yeah. No, I So, I
1:21:47
guess for the plug, yeah, plug. So, Revenge of the Mystery Cults, volumes one to three. I did them all at the same
1:21:53
time. Um, and I published them before last Christmas. Uh, so those are all easy to find on canadpatriot.org.
1:22:01
That's my main geopolitical website. Um, also just Amazon. I guess you can just
1:22:07
Google revenge revenge of the mystery cults with my name. um Clash of the Two Americas that we've referenced a little
1:22:12
bit also that that quadrology is is on there and also I would say Science Unshackled is a book I wrote two years
1:22:18
ago going through sort of the clash of the two sciences from ancient times to the present in a bit more detail. So
1:22:25
that complements I think the revenge of the mystery cults and some of our dialogue that we've had today about Isaac Newton as a fraud and and you know
1:22:31
this all this other stuff. The the movies the hidden hand behind UFOs there's four episodes that are already
1:22:37
out. Three are free. one is paid behind like a a $4 pay payw wall. Sorry, but I
1:22:42
just realized it's gonna we're going to go bankrupt if we didn't do that. So, um yeah, so that's that's available also on
1:22:49
either Canadian.org or my Substack, which I I put out stuff regularly. Um
1:22:54
last thing is rising tidefoundation.net is a little nonprofit I started in Canada with my wife uh back in 2019 with
1:23:02
a bit more of an educational focus. So, yeah, those are those are things to to check out. Awesome. Well, I appreciate
1:23:08
your time. Yeah, we didn't even talk about the fact that you're Canadian and you've described Canada as a synthetic
1:23:15
British intelligence operation that sometimes has countrylike moments, but is essentially just a play thing of the
1:23:23
same old globalists. And that's a whole another thing. So, yeah, maybe sometime we'll do China and Canada and uh the
1:23:29
Belt and Road Initiative and all that, but this was enjoyable. Uh so many things to think about and re-examine uh
1:23:37
my perspective on many many things I took for granted. So thank you and take care.
1:23:44
Thanks. Bye. Sweet Severance season two people. What
1:23:52
a show. I don't know why you're listening to me. Unless of course you finished Severance and then I guess it makes sense. Okay. Now this one was
1:24:00
pretty interesting to me. I think I'm walking away more confused in some ways about the guest's actual big picture
1:24:06
positions on the things we talked about than usual. He clearly knows a lot of historical information and links between
1:24:13
certain people that a lot of other researchers miss, but I had an outline planned here that is totally off from
1:24:20
what actually happened. And it did feel a bit like a whirlwind. I do have to give him major props for being such a
1:24:27
good speaker and having such excellent recall. Those things are a killer combination, but I've never heard a
1:24:34
person link so many alternative minds together and come out so hard against the occultist in the shadows engineering
1:24:41
reality and then say, "My gold standard is Ben Franklin and there is no reality to the
1:24:48
occult." Honestly, it kind of sucks because I do all this prep work and I had plotted out. Okay, I'm going to ask
1:24:55
about Tesla, which is going to lead us into the conversation about Mars and certain people who claim to have
1:25:02
communications from beings that live on Mars. And that's going to lead us into the idea of seeding aliens as an
1:25:08
inevitable Darwinian evolutionary outcome, which is a part of his work I actually liked a lot and we didn't even
1:25:15
talk about that. He thinks Darwinian evolution and the humans from apes idea
1:25:20
was seated to explain our past and then also the archetype of the alien the gray
1:25:26
I guess was created to push us towards that future or to see
1:25:31
this sort of space communism of dronelike hiveminded collectivist beings
1:25:37
with no personality or emotional depth. That would be the other book end
1:25:43
which you know is a compelling premise looping in HG Wells and the War of the World's radio play as not an accident
1:25:50
but an intentional live drill. And then I had some fun stuff to branch off of
1:25:56
that. But Matt threw so much information into his responses that it got a bit tough to be methodical or I would ask
1:26:04
about Tesla. We get 10 minutes on Sir Isaac Newton the Babylonian witch. very interesting, but I'm not gonna ask about
1:26:11
Tesla again. I want to kind of move on to the other things on the outline. So, it just seemed weird to me to lump in
1:26:19
Tesla and Isaac Newton because history handles them both very differently, especially pre- internet. One was
1:26:26
suppressed and his work destroyed and the other one they teach us about in schools as the hero of modern physics.
1:26:32
Kind of different framing there. So when I'm judging if something is part of the
1:26:38
cultural social engineering op, I consider greatly how much energy is put
1:26:44
into promoting a person above their peers. Tesla Edison, sure. Another
1:26:49
paradigm is well, Rudolph Steiner compared to other Christian philosophers. Willham Reich we know was
1:26:56
imprisoned. So that speaks for itself. And Matthew is highlighting some pretty
1:27:03
obscure people as the nefarious influence over time. And that really doesn't mesh all that well to me. Also,
1:27:11
the Society of Cincinnati. I hear them more often described as like an American Knights Templar, usually a force for
1:27:18
negative influence. Some of you might know JJ Vance and he just wrote me up a
1:27:24
big explanation of his work into the group and he doesn't consider them all
1:27:29
that favorable. Just so many areas where Matt would zigg where a lot of other
1:27:34
researchers zagged and it would throw me off but I was still engaged with it if
1:27:40
that makes sense. Another mistake I made was assuming he was Christian. But I
1:27:45
went through hours of his work and he never really claimed any metaphysical or spiritual ground. And I just want to
1:27:51
know because I want to understand the logic of where a person is coming from. Because when a person says something
1:27:56
like Tesla might have built Warden Cliff Tower so Crowley could speak to his
1:28:01
handler Rudolph Steiner without detection and then he has this attitude of anything alternative science,
1:28:07
psychedelic, mental phenomenon or occult adjacent is all negative and subversive. Well, those
1:28:13
people tend to be Christian or Christian adjacent. If this then that, right? You know, it's
1:28:20
like a flowchart thing. And I don't even blame them. I just want to know where a person is and all the pieces of their
1:28:27
logic tree. And it was kind of hard to get that out of Matthew. Maybe he sensed a disagreement and
1:28:33
didn't want to make it about all that. I could understand that attitude. I have it myself sometimes.
1:28:39
But he said he's a Platonist and I would have even wanted to dig into that a little bit more because Plonism to my
1:28:45
understanding those people do believe in a spirit world to a degree or a perfected realm
1:28:51
of forms as it's usually described in our physical world is an imperfect reflection of that. So he's not a
1:28:58
materialist, but he's skeptical of all non-material phenomenon.
1:29:04
And it was just hard for me to square those two things. I guess he's done a great series on the hidden
1:29:10
hand behind euphology, but my humble opinion is that the crucial flaw in it is that he concludes it was all made up
1:29:17
from nothing. And I would conclude that the dynamics of a complex almost eternal
1:29:23
relationship with non-human intelligence interacting with us was co-opted and managed to fit within the tight little
1:29:30
box of beings from some other planet. So, we could both agree on the
1:29:36
evolutionary track element I mentioned earlier. So, like that is great, but
1:29:41
really the conclusions there, that's a huge distinction. And yet, I can still
1:29:46
get a lot of value out of his series. So, who knows? I could be wrong, too. That's just where I am today. But it's
1:29:53
strange logic to me to dismiss all SC effects, remote viewing and psychedelics
1:29:58
and occult mechanisms and then say that the people engaging with this stuff and promoting it are the real nefarious
1:30:04
force, the real shadow hand, the real power behind the curtain because I think
1:30:10
they engage with these things privately and suppress them culturally because they actually work. The CIA studied all
1:30:17
this extended consciousness stuff because it's real, not because they wanted to seed in very obscure
1:30:24
subcultures that never really went anywhere. These ideas, it's not really like promotion in the same sense of like
1:30:31
mainstream ideas are promoted. Again, especially pre- internet, you had to
1:30:36
really dig to get into this stuff. So, I don't know. Despite that stuff, I still think it was good. mentally stimulating,
1:30:44
action-packed, really chalk full of information. I actually felt inadequate in defending my own position several
1:30:50
times because I largely just wanted to let him talk and try to understand
1:30:55
exactly what he thinks about what's real and what's fake. And I think he writes off a lot of real stuff just because
1:31:01
unsavory characters have explored it. That's common. And the plus show is where we got to talk about eupfology a
1:31:08
little bit where he did say he thinks it's a whole fabrication, not just a changing of the rapper, but that nobody
1:31:13
has these experiences. And if they do, he suggested that they would have been drugged by intelligence agents or
1:31:20
chloroformed or maybe even pricricked with a psychedelic to be tricked and
1:31:25
made to believe they had this kind of experience. And man, I don't think you
1:31:30
can put it all in that box. Though I do think that has happened. We call them my lab experiences.
1:31:36
But to put it all in that category dismisses so much that came before the CIA and from areas of the world way
1:31:45
outside the CIA's purview. There's just really so many examples when you dig
1:31:50
into it. It's just like it can't all just be that. Another thing I did think was really interesting was the China
1:31:56
stuff. Lots to unpack there, too. What he said about the Weaguer situation, it
1:32:02
kind of makes sense. But on the other side, they say it's a genocide to the tune of millions. And he says they're
1:32:08
being given better lives and being dradicalized and provided new opportunities.
1:32:13
It's kind of hard to decide because those things are so far apart, it's tough to rectify, but I do find it
1:32:20
interesting that no one ever really asks who the Weaguers are or if there's any justification to control them or if the
1:32:27
CIA was involved in radicalizing them. Like that was really important context. We just tend to say China bad. So of
1:32:35
course they would treat a minority like this. We don't really think much further than that. It's very similar to the
1:32:41
Russia Ukraine thing. Well, Russia invaded Ukraine and that's the start of the story. Never mind all the meddling
1:32:48
that was going on beforehand trying to loop them into NATO, trying to put the bio facilities there, the coup that
1:32:54
happened a few years earlier. You know, you start circling someone with threats
1:32:59
and they might preemptively cross over their property line and be like, "What are you doing over here?" And that's not
1:33:05
the same as like invading them because you're just a bloodthirsty egoomaniac as
1:33:11
is presented. I'm really curious to know what the reviews will be of this one. And I'm going to lean on that rating
1:33:17
system heavily here to see if you guys want more. if you want a China focused interview cuz I'm kind of lost when it
1:33:24
comes to my general interpretation of how this will be received. He did write me a follow-up email though with some
1:33:31
thoughts that I want to read because it's very important that I feel that we didn't misrepresent anyone and that
1:33:38
guests come across as understood by the audience. So in that interest um let me
1:33:44
read what he said. We sped through so many ideas yesterday which deserved more
1:33:49
convo. I just wanted to toss out some points of clarification on a couple of underbaked notions that I didn't get to
1:33:55
elaborate on on the Otto being Rosacruian. If you asked an Otto follower, they might not say yes and
1:34:02
they are certainly not officially a Rosacruian order. However, in my reading of these institutions, Rosacruian orders
1:34:08
are intrinsically secret. And if someone says they're running a Rosacruian order publicly, then they're probably not
1:34:14
actually in a genuine Rosacrruian order, but a lower order decoy, which most of
1:34:19
its members may fully believe is Rosacrruian since they do study Paracelis D, Flood, Zorzi, Hermes,
1:34:28
Tresmagestus, Cabala, and Gnostic literature, etc. And they certainly
1:34:33
carry out a variety of rituals as well. But again, if they have membership cards and publicly extol themselves as
1:34:40
Rosacruian, then they are not the real deal. However, Rosacrruians as a species
1:34:46
type have some invariant qualities in that one, they profess that their adepts
1:34:51
have the power through nosis and initiation to channel spirit entities and ascended masters who are part of a
1:34:56
great brotherhood of immortals. Two, that these powers of communication are teachable only if someone has divine
1:35:03
blood. According to Elephice Levi, who I treat as one of my authorities on the subject, which is why there is such an
1:35:10
obsession by so many adepts to prove they have aristocratic blood. This ties
1:35:16
into one of the self-organizing myths of the oligarchal class, that the royal families of Europe are to varying
1:35:22
degrees descendants of Jesus's babies via the Marravenian clans. Oh, and by the way, that Jesus was actually the
1:35:29
avatar of the Sethians, Lucifer spirit contained in the Nagamadi texts, who
1:35:34
delivers secret oral teachings to his favorite initiates, and or are more
1:35:40
earlier the progeny of the demonic entities of Elohim, Nephilim, and can
1:35:45
thus interface with elementals and archons to do their bidding, like their demon controlling version of Solomon was
1:35:51
able to do when he controlled the army of demons to build his temple, which is outlined in the 13th and 14th century
1:35:58
Templar crafted testament of Solomon which initiates wish to believe is
1:36:03
ancient. Although this has been given a UFO rebranding in the last century, I think this belief has been consistent
1:36:10
across the last two millennia at least, but likely way longer back. They are also animated by an obsessive belief in
1:36:17
a global alchemical reset or new golden age/ new dawn, whatever necessitates a
1:36:24
period of cataclysm. and a creation of a new type of humanity and global paradigm
1:36:29
which isn't a healthy one in my estimation. So from that standpoint at least at the moment in my research I
1:36:36
would put the Otto as led by Kelner Roose and later Crowley as part of a direct lineage of the Templar tradition
1:36:43
and which fits the MMO of true Rosa Christianism although they are all still quite disposable in the grand scheme. I
1:36:50
would place the intricral fellowship of the Maha Kakra aka the circle as more
1:36:56
influential than the Otto. Although it is possible that at the higher degrees they are one although still disposable.
1:37:02
More influential than the Otto I would place the highest degrees of the Memphis Misrom Lodge system which Bulvatsky had
1:37:11
been initiated into and which Kelner was a member with Roose. This is an 1880
1:37:16
update of the Kaglio Egyptian right who I believe was a much
1:37:22
more legit Rosacrruian order although ultimately disposable too. You'll notice
1:37:27
I'm placing emphasis on the disposability of these various agencies, right? Cruley burns out as a drug fiend.
1:37:33
Roose becomes a pathetic shill cooed by Cwley after adopting Crowley's sex magica. Kagglostro is disposed of and
1:37:41
dies in jail. Edward Kelly, John De's control, who I suspect was handling D, also goes out badly. Bullworth Linton
1:37:49
also lives a long time and is hugely influential, but a clear drug fiend and not able to control himself. Personally,
1:37:56
I think the whole thing is a game within a game since the cult engineers who spawned Rosacrruian in the form it took
1:38:01
after 1614's FMA and 1616's chemical wedding were themselves part of the same
1:38:08
organization which suffered a blow in 1314 when Dem was burned. But the
1:38:14
Templar order itself was created by a higher Benedicting grand strategy via
1:38:19
Bernard de Clervo that also spawned the hospitalers. The esoteric inner sanctum
1:38:26
of the Benedictines get us closer to the movers of the movers. This involves looking into the cults of Isis, Demeir,
1:38:33
and especially Mithra from a counterintelligence standpoint. A lot of this is in volume one of my revenge of
1:38:40
the mystery cults mystery Babylon and the new age. Lastly, just to make this
1:38:45
point clear as possible, despite the narratives of Dame Francis Yates and so many others that the Rosacrruian spawn
1:38:51
the Renaissance in modern science via their invisible college royal society, I deny it. The evidence points to the
1:38:58
opposite. They are responsible for infiltrating and subverting both the Renaissance and science with the help of
1:39:04
their co-created Jesuit mere image. Grail Knight, Jedi verse evil Sith [ __ ]
1:39:10
Joseph Campbell and Young were all over this. So then I said to him, I know it was a
1:39:16
whirlwind. I had a handful of things I really wanted to hit because I figured that's where the audience would most be
1:39:22
interested, but time management got away from us. I do a wrap-up after each episode. I'll be sure to pass this along
1:39:28
to the listeners. If I'm kicking myself for leaving something out, it would be that because I get the impression you
1:39:34
don't subscribe to spirits, manifestation, occult techniques actually working the way they're advertised. Do you think these people
1:39:41
just have been in a cult of ideas that don't really have any basis in reality? I'm not a practicing occultist, of
1:39:47
course, but it seems like these are very effective people. Would they really adopt superstitious beliefs that don't
1:39:54
deliver some results? Isn't the depth of knowledge in the occult and the consciousness/reality
1:40:01
relationship partly responsible for their effectiveness and success and power over time? I'm just curious what
1:40:08
you might say, however brief. You know, I didn't want him to spend a whole lot of time on this, but he came back and
1:40:13
said, "For the moment, what I can say is that I have seen no evidence of supernatural engagement that was not
1:40:21
tainted by magicians trickery. The art of making the true appear false and the inverse occurred in both physical and
1:40:27
metaphysical domains simultaneously with the metaphysical, i.e. the domain of epistem epistemological warfare having
1:40:36
been treated more responsibly by Plato in the course of his dialogues in the
1:40:41
art of sophistry Harry Houdini Frederick Schiller and Po's work on exposing this
1:40:47
trickery on both meta and physical levels is also highly relevant a lot of
1:40:52
this was contained in my three volume or my volume three revenge of the mystery
1:40:57
cults and my wife's work on Frederick Schiller's 1798 Ghost Seer is extremely
1:41:04
valuable, too. I'll put the links in the show notes. Also, my 2023 book, Science
1:41:10
Unshackled, Restoring Causality in a World of Chaos, gets at all this from another angle. It also deals with your
1:41:17
questions of Theosophical Irrationalist Reading of Sacred Geometry versus actual
1:41:22
divine geometry, which is actually all geometry properly understood as derived
1:41:28
from Pythagorean spheres. Man, so again, it's like I have to go
1:41:35
line by line and be like, "Oh, I agree with that." Or I don't really get what you're saying there. Like it's like a real whipsaw of ideas to me. So those
1:41:44
are at least some leads for people who want to get to know Matt's work better. Anyway, in higher side news, we are in
1:41:51
the new two-tiered reality of THC Plus and THC Plus TV. That is about the
1:41:57
biggest thing I have going on. just trying to manage a more complex system, but so far so good. Obviously, this plus
1:42:05
show was super packed and that is where we disagreed a bit more. Obviously, as you go on, that naturally is going to
1:42:11
happen. He said he had a lot of psychedelic mushroom experience and that's another thing I would have liked
1:42:16
to have here heard more about, but I always have the clock in mind. You know,
1:42:21
two hours is two hours. Either way, I appreciate his time and coming on so
1:42:27
well prepared and presenting himself so well. As we do, we got to dust off the
1:42:32
last episode and see what the rating was. And this would be John Perkins, the economic hitman himself. I loved it. I
1:42:39
thought our rapport was really good and he came off pretty likable. And of course, that should be expected with his
1:42:45
background, kind of professional likability and persuasiveness. And it seems like the people liked it,
1:42:52
too. Had I recorded it yesterday, this show would have been a perfect five stars. But right now, it's a 4.9. Who
1:42:58
cares? That is crazy. Very rare to have a show rated so high, universally loved.
1:43:04
And that's great because he did come in pretty soft on USAD and a few other things. But again, we don't need people
1:43:11
to check every box on some ideological checklist. And clearly, a lot of listeners still liked it even with those
1:43:17
caveats. All right. And then next on the docket, as always, is a look at the meetup
1:43:23
calendar, which I got right here. Next on the list is July 5th, the Roswell,
1:43:29
New Mexico meetup during the UFO Fest at the [ __ ] Brewery. July 16th,
1:43:35
Ontario Ranch, California at the Brew Haven location there. And then July
1:43:41
16th, Nolo in New Haven, Connecticut. And then they're getting together on
1:43:46
July 20th at the Crooked Q in Colorado Springs, Colorado, where I was born. And
1:43:53
July 21st, Gailrath Ale House, Eden, Terrence, Auckland, New Zealand. That
1:43:58
one keeps coming around again. Awesome stuff though. I'm glad people are getting together. Higheridide
1:44:04
meetups.com to make events and find details about the ones I just read out and you can meet new like-minded locals.
1:44:12
Thanks for listening. Thanks to Matt for spending the time with me. I will catch you on the next one. I've done my part.
1:44:19
Your move, Tesla archetype engineers, alternative culture creators, and UFO scop seeders. Your [ __ ] move.
1:44:30
Is it accidental [Music]
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how things end up?
1:44:42
for his life ritually planned
1:44:48
right from the jump.
1:44:55
It's a funny thing [Applause]
1:45:01
when you think about it. [Music]
1:45:07
Taking so much for granted.
1:45:13
Never think to doubt it.
1:45:18
The magic man from long ago.
1:45:25
Engineered most everything we know. Earthquakes,
1:45:32
portals and gates. Lord knows it's hard to escape.
1:45:37
The magic men from long ago born right into it.
1:45:47
We never had much say [Music]
1:45:52
and without enough recognition. [Music]
1:45:58
Don't see it going away. [Music]
1:46:07
Going away [Music]
1:46:15
behind the closed doors, behind the ropes.
1:46:22
They're pulling all the strings. Running all the shows.
1:46:27
The magic man from long ago. [Music]
1:46:32
[Applause] engine most everything we know.
1:46:39
Earth and portals and gaze knows it's hard to escape.
1:46:46
Imag [Music]
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[Music] [Applause] [Music]
1:47:10
everything we know was present day portals
1:47:16
Lord knows it's hard to escape me from long ago.
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[Music] Oh, you go.
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[Music]